In episode 65 of The Kitchen Table, Ken Baden interviews Daniel VanAntwerp to discuss the world of testosterone replacement therapy, peptides, and overall health optimization. They delve into their personal experiences with these treatments, the importance of monitoring hormone levels, and the impact of peptides on various health issues.
Tune in to learn more about the latest advancements in health optimization and how you can take control of your health journey.
TIMESTAMPS
[00:01:41] Testosterone Replacement and Peptides.
[00:04:36] Testosterone Replacement Therapy Trends.
[00:08:19] Understanding Testosterone Level Ranges.
[00:13:11] Metabolic Health and Sexual Performance.
[00:18:10] Peptides and Anti-Aging Treatments.
[00:20:47] Testosterone Deficiency in Young Men.
[00:26:34] Peptides and Immune System Rejuvenation.
[00:28:39] The Wolverine Peptide.
[00:34:38] Peptides and Growth Hormone Supplements.
[00:38:33] Peptides and FDA Regulations.
[00:41:36] Peptide Treatment for COVID.
[00:46:30] Peptides and Dallas Buyers Club.
[00:50:12] Peptides and FDA Regulations.
[00:55:45] Success Through Health Transformation.
[00:56:53] Taking Control of Your Health.
[01:04:51] Don't Accept Average, Get Tested.
[01:09:02] Importance of Blood Work.
[14:36:18] Always a Seat at the Table.
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Welcome to The Kitchen Table, a podcast about where business is done. So pull up a chair and join your host, Ken Baden.
All right, welcome back to another episode of The Kitchen Table podcast. My name is Ken Baden, and I am here today with a good friend of mine and not only somebody that I have a ton of respect for in business and entrepreneurship, but I've spoken about this before, but my regimen, the things that I'm into, and I'm certainly very much very vested and invested in the, I don't know, who would you call it? Daniel, first of all, my good friend Daniel is here. Daniel, how are you? I'm getting so caught up in the actual topic, I haven't even introduced you yet. How are you doing, my friend?
Ken Baden
I'm doing wonderful. Thank you so much for having me on. I know this was kind of a short notice for you, and I'm glad it worked out. I'm certainly happy to answer any questions you have about my practice, about testosterone replacement, peptides, anything that's coming up. And yeah, I'm very excited to get this going.
Daniel VanAntwerp
And that's exactly what I was getting at. So I've talked openly and dude, let's be real, right? If you listen to this show, there's probably one in five of you on the exact same path. And that's, I encourage it, man. Like every coach I have, every business mentor I have, every influencer that I know in this space is that's above 35 and older. And some that are younger, um, they're on even good friends of mine that have nothing to do with any of that. They're just 35 and over and it's becoming way more, um, I don't know, in the know, as far as like these things are available to you, you don't have to let the clock sort of beat you down the way that it used to. And so, yeah, I'm investing in anything and everything that can help me operate at premium for as long as I possibly can. And Daniel, you know how we met. is I really just Googled and was like, OK, I want to do I wanted to go see what Daniel's father would call the bro docs. Right. I wanted to go and see some some dude from the gym because I was like this close because, you know, I'm getting whispers in my ear. I'm like, man, I. I know it's dangerous, but and I'd like to look like that. That's cool. But more important, I'd like to have the energy and the sexual results, right? Getting older. I want to if I can somehow maintain some of my youth, yeah, that'd be awesome. So I call the office and I'm just like, let me just. Let me just process of elimination this and just exhaust that first. And if that doesn't work out, then I'll go to them and got a hold of Daniel first. Thank God who caution that route. And that's actually the angle you worked. If you remember, like, look, dude. I can get you operating at 19 and looking like you want to look, but you're going to have to trust me. Your father said the same thing. It was like, just give me 90 days. And if you don't like it, then sure, go to the guy at the gym. But I'm telling you, you don't need to do all of these things at the levels that they're going to pump into you and are dangerous. And you don't have a doctor monitoring you. And so I did it. That was what? Almost three years ago now. And I don't, I will never be off of any of these things, unless it's just absolutely like my hand is forced. And if anything, it looks like things are going, it's becoming more and more open. What do you attribute that to before we get into how you got into this? It was wild to me. It's one thing in my business circles and influencer circles. It's a very other thing where it's just some good buddies of mine that I grew up with. Like, oh, yeah, I'm on TRT. I'm on TRT. It's just like it's popping up left and right. Would you say it's certainly a big uptick as of recent as far as who's doing it?
Absolutely. So if we go back in years past, Ken, what I was looking at was mostly guys, at least my thought of what we were going to see in the marketplace was guys our father's age, 50s and 60s and so forth. And it was going to be the same guys that... Remember the Viagra commercials where it would You know it would have some fifty or sixty year old guy and maybe he's swinging a golf club next to his wife and you know they're gonna go home and they're gonna have like sixty year old sex and, you know, be happily ever after at least that's, you know, what the Viagra commercial tells you. And the unfortunate part about that is, you know, the class of people that really really needed those drugs weren't spoken to in that commercial so they had no idea that they were really the people that needed to step forward to their doctor and say, Hey, I'm having trouble in the following categories. I'm having trouble in the bedroom, my erections aren't what they used to be. I'm having trouble in body composition. So my, my waistline is going up, you know, two inches a year, despite giving my best efforts and the efforts I've always put forth. So maybe it's that your effort hasn't changed, but your returns have diminished for those same efforts in the gym. Or the other stuff is, you know, how about these guys that go and get a testosterone test from their primary care, because they listen to other influencers, and, you know, the influencers will tell them enough to say, hey, go out and investigate this issue and see if this applies. And then a good deal of those will go to their primary care physician, they'll get tested, and they'll come back with a testosterone range of say, 500, 600, something that is quote unquote, a normal or even a okay or good testosterone for the experts. The problem is, is that the vast majority of these gentlemen are having the wrong testing done. So I would say that there's definitely, there's more exposure in the market right now where people are going and getting testing. The blind spot is after that testing, what's occurring. And that's where you can kind of bifurcate them into two groups. One group, they go to their primary care and they come back, they have a testosterone of a 500, a 600. It's just a total. Their primary care physician will say, hey, you know what? Good numbers here. It's not a testosterone problem, I'll tell you that much, and maybe we run down some of these other issues. Let's think of other problems that can cause sex issues and all that, maybe depression, maybe sleep, whatever, and that leads to people ending up on medications they didn't need because the doctor didn't test them properly in the first place. What do you do about that then? Well, I guess the first thing is, You know, my practice, TRTMD Health Clinic, it's not everywhere. We're in two states. We're in Nevada and we're in Maryland. However, we do have friends. So I would say if you have no idea where to start, or let's say you're in some other state and you're like, hey, you know, I went and talked to my primary care. I had the exact same experience. I would tell those people, call my office. At the very least, even if we can't help you, I would like to help you find somebody in your area that's going to work you up properly. Typically, I'll know from the blood work they order what quality of care you're probably going to receive out of that clinic.
It's what you just brought up is a funny and, again, this has been such an open topic of conversation for me in my circles and I don't know again who's listening to this and how I have a slight idea of the demographic age range but just the same. In my circles, we were talking Friday night, and one of my buddies is like, dude, I got my levels ran, but what's average and what's considered a good range is so, it may be incorrect, but what he said was it's like, dude, it could be anywhere from like 200 to 300 to like, 900, right? Like that's so huge. Like as far as like, well, okay, what about, I mean, I remember I went, you know, I'm going through these fertility things. I think, uh, I told you I had to stop for a couple, a couple months and, you know, it went down. And at the first one, I knew it went down, like within a week, it was down 200 points. And, uh, the next time I went was a month or two later and she was like, well, you know, um, it's average, but that's good. And I never asked like, Wait, I knew it went down 200 points in a week and I'm not feeling nearly like myself. It's not horrible, but it was, you know, there's a lot of people pointing out like, man, you're not, you've been different. And I was expecting that. But, um, what if that was 300, right? Like what, that's just so wildly huge. The range, like, yeah. And I think, and I'd love to point this out too, Daniel, and get what is your opinion on this? I have, then I have my peers in the entrepreneur world that are like, you know, your seven and eight figure folks that in this one business group by men, there's a few folks just like yourself, right? And that's their whole deal, right? They're kind of the doctors for these groups, you know, that's, and they, that's a great group to be in. for them. And but but it's also reciprocal in that we all want help there and we know we can trust them. So they say, well, entrepreneurs need a little bit. There's there's your average and then there's entrepreneur average and that like the energy level that's required to constantly go, go, go and deal with multiple businesses. And do you subscribe to that, too? Like, yeah, I could I could see that.
Yeah, well, I mean, so anytime we're looking at average, whether it's like you mentioned before, average results in blood work, or, you know, what you need to do in your business to make sure that you're staying above average, or maybe, maybe not even average for someone else, but your average your status quo, right? I think that this entire business is really about Defining first off what's average. And then deciding if average is something that works out for your life and i'll tell you in most cases. When you're dealing with averages in the united states and health for instance. You know the average individual is gonna have heart disease the average individual is overweight. The average individual has how many hundreds of thousands of dollars in consumer debt. So average is not healthy in most cases. If average were healthy, then we wouldn't be talking about a financial crisis here in the United States because the average today is people have less money, they're less healthy and less happy than they were prior. So I guess my main focus is, how can we smash averages and go for superlative results? And certainly in our hormone world, we probably care less about sticking to rigid numbers than we do about certain performance markers. By those performance markers, what we're talking about from a health perspective is the underpinnings of metabolic disease. So if you are maintaining proper body fat and muscle levels, we're looking for that. We're looking for your ability to handle glucose with as little insulin as possible. So, the more insulin that you have to kick out to handle a given insulin equation, or insulin and glucose equation, that's a measure of metabolic dysfunction, which leads to diabetes, obesity, and so forth. And then in terms of performance averages, like the The stuff that people come to us for we don't accept averages like. Hey i'm in my late thirties and forties and my my sex life isn't today what it was when i was in college and if we're honest i would say most of us would say. Our sex life probably is not or rather we're probably not as capable sexually as we were. Twenty one years of age for being honest so. What that leads to is people speaking a different language with their doctor. So when the doctor says, are you experiencing erectile dysfunction? You have a 38 year old guy like myself, he's going to go, um, no, no, my erections still work. I can still have sex. And then in most cases, it's like ships passing in the night. Okay. The questions are over with. He denied erectile dysfunction. The problem is the doctor didn't ask the question properly. And this is what we see often with guys. It's like, are your erections today as good as they were when you were 21? And if not, well, then we need to backflow. What causes that to happen? So there's a couple of reasons. Cardiovascular health can lead to that. Your hormone balance can lead to that. Attendant cardiovascular health, high levels of atherosclerosis, where you're just closing down veins and arteries with blockages. At a certain level, that blockage starts to compromise the blood flow into the penis. See that with guys in their 50s on a fairly regular basis. And who are these guys? Are they like your extremely unhealthy dudes? Well, not by their standards, and certainly not by their primary care standards. They're average America. So what is average America again? Right. Right. Average America drinks too much. I actually argue probably shouldn't drink at all. Right. Average America drinks too much. They eat too much. They exercise too little. They place a higher priority on things that probably don't matter, like actually spending time with your spouse and enjoying a vibrant sex life. You know, averages, averages, averages in the United States are slipping annually. Uh, I'm very much like to separate our population from the average and instead put them into a 1% pool. Well, what is the 1% do? You know, in mile times, what is the, uh, 1% do in, in, in body strength, uh, versus body weight and so forth.
So, I mean, you said a ton there that, uh, I, one of my coaches is, um, Adamant on the force of average kind of being that thing that's constantly trying to just like get you to like, well, you don't need to or in this case, like you don't need to pursue that. You know, that goes too big or well, everybody who gets married, you know, and I was like, I was vehemently against that with my wife and I, before we got married, we just got married, but I was like, look, I'm really into, you know, she knows, you know, and she's come and seen you all, right? Like I want to do whatever I can do to be as healthy and vibrant as I possibly can be as cognitively sharp, as mentally, physically, sexually sharp as I possibly can for as long as I can. And I believe these folks and these tools that are available will help me do that. And You know, like you said, average is just nothing I'm even remotely into, but I think that people just get caught up in the force of average because they see, oh, well, Everybody kind of goes through this. Everybody has these laws in marriage. Everybody becomes roommates. No fucking way. No way. Right. Well, there are things available to you. And I think that more and more normal folks are becoming of what's are learning what's available to them in these treatments right like TRT and peptides and it's not just viagra man it's like you can go in and fix the root cause and you said something that's like really spoke to me but if you're 30 plus 35 40 years old and you're you're answered to what he just said and look we're saying stuff where it's like oh man we're talking about yes we are like this is let's be real right like The answer to his question is probably 99.9% of us would say, no, my my sex life and my appetite is not where it was when I was 21. Like, can you help me get there? Yes. Where do I sign? Right. Like that's usually I think I literally told you that you were like, brother, I can have you feeling and looking like you did when you were 19 and be healthy enough to sustain that. Because my concern was, you know, I got a lot of bro doc friends of mine that could have me look way better than I did when I was 19, but I might drop dead the next day, right? And you're like, that's right. I'll make sure, you know, we'll make sure you're, you're, you're healthy. It's sustainable. And I can have you looking and acting as you did when you're 19. I said, sign me up. Right. And, uh, I have, dude, I'm the first of the line to test whatever cool new, you know, I'm like, Daniel, let me know whatever's coming out, man. As far as like peptides, I'm really into that. That's a whole nother world. And I speak on that, but And I kind of wanted to touch on that while, you know, we really haven't even mentioned, everybody knows, I know you, you are my, you're my doctor's son, but you're his business partner. And, uh, I don't mind me saying that, but obviously that's fine of, uh, of this particular business. And we've drummed up a friendship, having worked together and having some similar, uh, views on a lot of different things. Um, but. in the last three years, but I am a paying patient of this practice. And it just, I don't know why it took me so long. I think we talked about this before. I think we talked about this before, but I have other peers of mine that are big, working on their own brands and influencer stuff. And that's just not something that I've seen you fall into or really seek too much. I think that's because they're louder in that light. I see them more and I'm like, dude, I have Daniel. And I go to these folks right now, I would have someone else come on my show that I don't personally see. So love having you on, man. One. Thank you. Two, how'd you get into this? Because I know the story, but like, we didn't even get into any of that, right? Like, this isn't something you just like, woke up one day and you were doing this before. It's only going to get hotter. But you were doing this where it was a lot harder to get people in the door. How'd you get into this? Why did you get into this?
Well, I mean, really, it was it was a thing of dragging myself out of the woods first. And then wondering, good Lord, I wonder if I recommend or if I represent a large market segment of people that are like me. And I'll give you a little background on that. I've got a diagnosed, low testosterone, and actually primary hypogonadism, which means that like my testes weren't producing like they used to. Now, the cause of that was actually from brain damage that I had, I had incurred in a, in a shooting. And I had actually took a gunshot in the high left back, rung my bell real hard. I had body armor on. It was a different life. I had a bail bonds business. And, you know, I ended up, I ended up after that, in the next couple years, having the craziest things happen. So my erections went south on me. I was gaining weight like crazy. And then, you know, starting to flirt around with, do I have depression? What's going on? And truth be told, like most guys in their 20s, I didn't go to the doctor because I was a red-blooded, healthy American male. I mean, what the hell did I need to go to the doctor for? Until it started hitting me in the erection category. So I started seeing doctors and trying to figure out what was going on. No one could. At the same time, I had a orthopedic injury that I got on my knee, and I went to go see an orthopedic surgeon about it. He saw the signs of low testosterone on my legs, because I was missing my leg hair. And he asked me, he's like, have you always been missing the hair in the bottoms of your legs? I was like, actually, I had no idea that was even gone. And see, I'm like hairy like a woodland animal. So it doesn't even make sense. He says, well, it's really a low testosterone sign, so I'm going to test you. He did. My testosterone was lower than my 50-something-year-old mom at the time. Yeah, my mom. I was essentially rolled around as a eunuch and trying to force myself through all these things that require testosterone. What you don't know about me is I have a gorgeous wife from columbia. And at the point that i'm like having to really start forcing myself to think about sex. I mean that's like. I know that this is a problem because. That girls majorly hot like this should be no issue. You know, I go see this doctor, the orthopedist, and after all this, he tells me he's gonna test me. I'm like, great, okay, he tests me, but my testosterone's super low. He gave me the same thing his doctor gave him, his testosterone doctor, and said, is this the right thing for you? Don't know. Don't care. It's better than not having testosterone. He said, but I'll tell you what, I'm gonna give you a month, and then you need to find yourself a doctor. In that month, I talked with my father, found out that he had a similar situation happen to him post-cancer treatment, where he was just jackassed around doctor to doctor trying to figure out what amounted to a testosterone deficiency. And I said, look, here we are 32 years apart dealing with the same thing. That is a big swath of men. So how about we do this? How about we start a service where we just take care of the testosterone issues where these men and i advertise just men and that's probably about time we met you and that was that was also about the time that you like. Like you came in with a lady you cared about, your wife, you know, that started showing up too. So it's like, well, can you take care of my wife too? And we're like, we like to keep the just dudes, but okay. So then we became, you know, essentially a full service internal medicine clinic specialized in hormone replacement, weight loss, and peptides for men and women. And here we are today. I mean, we're, it started out, it was just me and my dad. It was mostly a very, it was a very specific set of guys that came to us. For the most part, it was military and law enforcement. And by military, it was post-military contractors that were working for the you know, the alphabet soup agencies and going overseas. Those guys get paid a bunch of money in the D.C. area. They were looking for a service like ours. For some reason, the advertising just hit perfect. So it was between them and then Baltimore City Police. I mean, like our first 150 clients, like 50 of them were Baltimore City Police. So it was all these guys for whom testosterone function really matters. They're either going to fight for your life, or fight for their life, or fight for our country, or fight for something. But these guys are war fighters, essentially. I guess the service that we offered them became more expansive as time went on. So it started out, we were just doing hormone replacement, and then it was, okay, full service, internal medicines, yes, we'll see your wife and all that, and then peptides hit the scene. Well, like, what the heck is that? That's something actually that, you know, has been talked about a fair amount in social media circles. And also the FDA has tried to make some sweeping moves against peptides. And that actually became a very large part of our practice. So what are those things? Well, those are peptides are literally a short protein that your body makes that we're replacing, kind of like we replace you know, LH and FSH from your brain that tell your testes to produce testosterone, or we replace testosterone if your testicles aren't producing it. Or, you know, how about in this example, for your immune system, your thymus is responsible for a good deal of your immune response for inflammation and healing. Well, that thing goes away. In large part, in our teens and in finality in our twenties. However, we can bring those peptides back those same ones that you used to make. And turn on your immune system like it was when you're like 14 years old, nothing could touch you. So if you want to know like, what does that feel like? I think we all can remember what it was like get tore up drunk at 21. And then the next day wake up. and we could get up, go get Mexican food with our friends, and by 11 a.m., we were a-okay, right? That's growth hormone and those peptides that were naturally produced that mitigated that inflammation from that night of drinking. Now, Ken, you and I don't drink today, but if we did, the pain we would feel after such a bender is tenfold what we would have experienced at 21. Yeah. And it's simply the absence of those substances. That's why we give them back. And yes, do we ask our patients, Hey, can you attenuate your drinking or maybe not drink at all? Yeah. Because we want to remove all the parts of inflammation that you have a part in. So then we can go after the things that say, for instance, you don't have a way of influencing. So those body systems that are, you know, starting to go a little sideways as you age and you know, maybe not be as productive or produce inflammatory signaling or cytokines. We'll get into that. I don't know if you want to do that on another episode, like what we're chasing, but the, um, the ability to go after specific types of inflammation in our patients, be it liver inflammation, muscle and joint inflammation, and specifically be able to target those things with these peptides. Um, it opens up, treatment modalities that are light speed ahead of where general medicine is today.
And doesn't that sort of too, like we get a little bit older and you hear that word like, oh, you're inflamed and it's like, and it gets used a lot. But I mean, I can tell you personally, like there's a very popular peptide out there, BPC-157, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I've heard it called the Wolverine peptide. It's healing, right? It is. You're not as big into these influencer types as I, but there's a lot of them out there, Daniel, that if I have to put you on to some of these guys, I mean, they're on there, like literally injecting it into their gut, like on that's their post for the day. Like, here's what it is. Like, it's just, it's so wide open. Um, And I think this is honestly, man, one of the best episodes we've had because we're getting real and my demographic that listens is mostly men. I know that I see my demographic range and who and what. If you're listening to this and you're I know you're still listening to put this as plainly as possible. And I was my ex and I had just broken up. I was turning 35. I had already was already vain enough because, you know, I was a perfectionist. And then you get older and I'm like, I'm not going to just accept like, oh, well, I'm getting older. So I have to look like or feel like, no, man, like I worked really hard when I was younger to have a jawline and to have a six pack and to feel a certain way. And when you look good, you feel good, man. Like my face was round. I was retaining water. My sex life wasn't what it was. It just wasn't. And so I wanted to see if there were some answers to those problems. And in short, there are. So if you're someone who feels like that, like, damn, I used to, I guarantee you, I just had my 30-year-old cousin go and get his checked out. His was 200-something. 200 something, 30 years old, right? So you just don't know. And he, dude, and he's a big boy and he- Like a 60 year old. And he couldn't believe, he's like, man, I'm so tired. And he has a similar past to my own and everyone who listens to this knows my past. So like I put my body and treated it like an amusement park that certainly didn't help my cousin who's been on this show, same thing. He's got a miraculous story, but 200 something and he's not alone. And the irony is like, you could go and see somebody with three or even 400 and like, oh, that's average based on what, right? Like average for whom and what, like, I don't want to be average anything. I want to be above, right? I'm looking for if the threshold's at 900, I want to be like just above as long as that's good. Like I get in these bad habits where it's like, I want to be above, but does above really mean better? I want to be as good as I can be. You know what I mean? Because the other end of this is by going and seeing these boys from the gym, your bro doctors. You don't have someone monitoring your stuff. You can get yourself jammed up. And I'm telling you this from like, I'm I try to be as authentic as possible because I don't have any time for bullshit. And I think that this world, this influencer circle, the podcast space, all of social media is full of people that are full of shit. I want to be real as real gets an authentic. So we're pulling back the kimono here and just talking real. And in that space, I would have done that if I thought I could do that successfully. You know what I mean? It's cheaper. However, I did start to do it knowing I was going to the doctors, right? I think I did it for like a month, Daniel. I told you guys the truth. I was like, look, I came in, tried it myself because I had, you know, I just had it and I was waiting and then I knew I was going to get, and I messed myself up. mess myself up. I was through the roof on tests. That's wonderful. But so was I on estrogen and this wasn't working right. That wasn't working right. So you gave me about a fraction of that. And I felt so much better because it's like, hey, this is really all your body can use. And it's just learning things like that. And I would just encourage you, man, like it's not what it used to be in terms of I've invested a small fortune into this. Now, that's the truth. Peptides still aren't cheap. You run the risk of doing the black market game and not knowing what the hell you're getting. So like for me, that's the truth. Really, really hard. I am willing to pay for convenience, to pay for quality, to know like this is what I'm going to get and I feel good about that. So if that's something you're able to do, I suggest you do that. If you can't, maybe wait, but it's also not what you think it is. Like to get into there with TRT and to get going, like it's manageable and start there and then work into the peptides and get yourself working optimally. Like I told you, I stopped for a couple of months. Daniel and I, this is actually ironic timing. I don't know if ironic is the right word, but it's a interesting timing in that Daniel's got some new, new sauce, new toys. And I'm always looking for him. And so I got some, I'm always like, Daniel, what do you got, man? You got something, what's the newest peptide that's out? Am I allowed to go any further? I don't have to, so there's something.
Sure, yeah, yeah, you can, if you want.
I'm, dude, again, I am an open book. You have to remember, my story is wide open on social media. I'm getting, I'm writing a book. everyone in the world that knows me who knows who's going to know me is going to know my past. And then I used to inject heroin. I mean, so like, I'm pretty wide open about where I've come since then. And really moreover, why? It's not like, oh, I'm trying to be I want to look good. But I looked really good when I was 19. I never did anything at all.
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I just want to operate maximum efficiency, brother. I want whatever I can get my hands on that's going to have me at tip top. For some things, it's reading a book. In this case, physiologically, it's peptides. It's eating right. It's drinking water. It's supplements and growth hormone supplements. I'm really excited about Monday. I've got an order going in for some different peptides and growth hormone supplements. I'm really excited to see. I'll post before and afters. You think 30 days is enough time or do I need to give it longer?
Yeah, you're gonna see a difference on growth hormone in 30 days. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, I've been on it now for 120. And I see a difference, bro. I see. I've never I don't think I've ever been more shredded. Right. In terms of Well, put it this way. I When I stopped drinking alcohol altogether, which was two and a half years back now, I lost 10 pounds from what was my usual average of 190 and I'm five foot eight and a half on my tall day, right? So I was a little, I don't know, more water retention, maybe a little fat, more than I needed, right? Lost 10 pounds of that quitting alcohol. right away. And then getting on growth hormone, I'd say I probably trend between 170 and 180 pounds. My strength hasn't dipped. In fact, it's grown. And it's just, I'd say my body fat percentage is probably at or around 10% at this point. And dude, I am 38. Like I said, I have been shot. I have been through plenty and I am now operating, I'd say, athletically as high of a level as I ever have in my life.
anybody 30 plus that you see that's an influencer, that's a dude, everybody in BKFC, bare knuckle fighting, like all these men that you see that are like peak physical condition that are above 30, I would promise you and bet the farm, TRT replacement and peptides. Think about it. The reason it's sustainable, I'm not going to Daniel is more qualified obviously to speak on this, but the way I put it in layman's terms is like your body as a 19 year old and 20 year old makes these things. As we get older, those things either slow down massively or they stop. These things give you the ability to bring them back up to those levels, right? Not completely bypass and add in some synthetic element like we're probably doing when we're doing hardcore stuff, but going back to what you used to have and making sure. But at 40, you've got the things that you had at 19, right? That's a dangerous combo, my friends. And that's why I'm so passionate about this, dude. Truly, I'm not getting paid or anything. I just believe in this man, I really do. There are things like cerebralizing, there are things, there are different mind peptides that will help. I wish that I would have been more alert and aware of these things when my grandmother was going through Parkinson's. My wife's father just passed, like we were looking at trying to get him some peptides to help like, you know, when the mind starts going right, like there are things we can do and Daniel that you speak on this as a as a last or second to last topic but like for some reason I don't know what I'm going to go ahead and assume that it's the band-aids and bullets theory, but for some reason. That stuff isn't made known to the general public, right? Like that these things are out there like, yo, you don't have to go buy Big Pharma's prescription. There's actually this, this, this, and this that's like already exists, but you can only get it in the Philippines. What?
So let's talk about, this is probably as good of a time as any to talk about what the FDA has done with peptides as of late. So they classified peptides into two groups, one that compounding pharmacies, like the ones we've been using to date, can produce, and then those that they cannot produce, which in the cannot produce category is Interestingly, those peptides that increase your immune system, that increase your ability to produce growth hormone, that increase your testicles' ability to increase testosterone, VCB, HCG, these are all things that the FDA has gone after. And then you probably ask, well, why would they ever go after these things? Has there been some study that came out and said that these things are unsafe? No. In fact, I'll give you a great example of one such drug called Zidaxine. Zidaxine is a brand name version of a endogenous peptide, meaning one that you make yourself, called thymosin alpha-1. Set the fda and their great wisdom has decided that i'm missing out for one when it's called time is now for one represents a harm to the end user. It represents the danger to the end user that's why they said it needs to be removed from the ability to compound in last. Unless a company named Cyclone, Big Pharma makes it, and they call it Zidaxine, then it's okay. We're talking exact copies here. Now, if your body makes something, Big Pharma can't come and copy that thing. They can't copy endogenous peptides. So what do they want to do instead? They want to change it ever so slightly so it's not an endogenous peptide, and it's one of these biologics. So you know the biologics that you see every night on TV? Oh, a Skyrizzy, you know, and it's all of these drugs that end with a ba-ba-bab at the end. You know, it's a this of a bab, a that of a bab. And all of those are biologics. What they do is they take a peptide, they attach some other bullshit to it, and now it's something that big pharma can produce and charge us ass loads of money for. So what makes sense? Actually using what your body would normally produce and replacing that? Or trusting that big pharma did a good job in, you know, creating some new protein for your body to take? I don't know. I just, I'm not in the business of trusting big pharma about anything because they change their minds so very often.
I mean, we can go to COVID vaccines. Yeah. Look at COVID. And look, I don't care what line the political fence you're on. You sit on.
Yeah. They changed their minds. Yeah. Right. Right.
Now they're like, Hey, you know what? No big deal. Uh, we're going to treat it. cold now, forget all that, right? Like, so they themselves said that not us, right?
It's interestingly enough, the Chinese that that thymus and alpha one, I was mentioning, the Chinese were treating their officials with it. And I had the milligram per kilogram dose levels, they were using the tree COVID, and had very good studies on it and everything. And we were looking to, as a practice, we were looking to discuss this. not only with the FDA, but with the CDC, and we were completely ignored. And our entire organization was completely ignored. And that's the International Peptide Society. So we were completely ignored when in other countries, this stuff was very effectively used to treat COVID. Um, so what that turned into is like all things in the United States, you have to track justice and you have to track health. You have that health, which people that access their stuff through insurance get, and you have that health that people who are more fortunate like you and me get, which is cash health. And that cash health included, well, yeah, these peptides, these medicines that, oddly enough, if you're a Democrat, they said they didn't work, and if you're a Republican, they didn't. I'm sorry, I don't trust that kind of medicine. Medicine is not a Democrat, Republican kind of thing. It is not a, because you're this religion or you're that religion. Well, actually, I can't say that, because there are some religions that don't do blood transfusions and so forth. Respect that. However, it is not something that should be argued along political lines under any circumstance. Never. Never. And that's what we saw. So the same FDA that dithered back and forth in their opinions on various drugs for COVID, on vaccines for COVID, is the same FDA that came back and declared a large swath of peptides that we endogenously produce, meaning our body produces them, and they say they're bad for us. They're bad for us. I mean, I don't know what they're gonna do next, Ken. Maybe they're gonna say, you know, breathing oxygen's bad for us, or, you know, some other thing that's a normal biological function. But, you know, in a world where that's bad for us, but maybe it's okay to do gender-affirming care for your 11-year-old child.
I mean, you're probably right, right? Like, you can – but you can get hormones, in fact, taxpayers – I mean, we're about to go on a whole different show.
That's a different subject, but that's why I don't trust them.
Right. Bottom line is, I mean, Right, big pharma, the government, whatever. The fact that these things already exist in our bodies, we're just trying to go in and if you have a deficiency or age, those are the two real things and real reasons why those things stop or... Disease.
where do you use it and really here's what it comes down to what the fda has done today. Is there taking a whole bunch of people that were getting mad as a medications that were produced for them in fda regulated five oh three pharmacies. Where the fda comes in and they inspect on a needs basis meeting. If your pharmacy comes in and it's deficient anyway they're gonna be back within a year if your pharmacy is good to go for years and years and years. Well then they start to trust you a little more. That's how the FDA does things now on inspections. So the FDA inspects these pharmacies. The state boards of pharmacies have power over them as well. And furthermore, the FDA doesn't have any real reason to be able to say that these things are unsafe. So what they did, they said, these 503A pharmacies can no longer produce these things. So what about these people who rely upon them for your health, like our patients? Like you? Like me? Well, what the hell are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to get them off the street? Well, I'll tell you what happens there. The Swiss actually did a study on peptides that are available throughout your common sites, your cosmicpeptides.com, Amazon, Peptide Sciences. These places, they do not stand behind their peptides, and it says so right on the bottle. It says not for human consumption when you buy your peptides from those people. The reason is, Is because it's not for you but consumption it only become something that can be consumed by us when there's purity standards. Do you know exactly like how much of a given substance per volume you're getting. Can you have a company that will stand behind that and furthermore you have a agencies that come through inspect them. So that leads me to what are we doing for all our people that are on peptides today well. The nice part is, and I don't know, maybe this audience knows this movie, maybe they don't, but... Dallas Buyers Club. Yeah, Dallas Buyers Club.
My wife said that, dude. She was like, he's doing a Dallas Buyers Club.
That's exactly right.
Yeah, so... I can't wait to tell her that, man. She's going to be so tickled to hear that. I was like, no.
He is doing it. That's exactly what it is. So what they're able to do is, I can't continue to send you peptide pharmacies here that obviously aren't going to break the rules of the FDA, because the FDA, so long as this administration is in place, they're out of control. Now, just one caveat. There is a court case that's pending that may do away, and it's on fisheries, that may do away with the ability of the federal government to utilize something called Chevron deference, which is where a cabinet-level agency can go through and just make up a rule, even though it's not in codified law. That's before the Supreme Court right now in a fisheries case, and if they do away with Chevron deference, The first thing we're going to be doing as well for me as an individual and some organizations I'm part of is filing suit on the FDA for their capricious removal of these things from the market. That's one thing. But in the meantime, what exists is a structure whereby patients can go and seek the care of an international physician. which are now our patients. We're going to be shunting them to an international physician we formed a relationship with in Belize. Oddly enough, he's a physician from Wisconsin practicing in Belize. We have our patients see this physician. And then I have a Belizean pharmacy and a Belizean drug supplier, who, by the way, just contracted with the same exact drug suppliers that I was using here for these pharmacies in the United States. I simply just took that operation out from underneath the auspices of the FDA, shoved it over here in Central America, where we're going to be enjoying the exact same peptides Albeit they're going to come from Central America now under a federal exemption for care. So here's the fun part. The fun part is now I get to offer a wider range of peptides to these patients that are looking for them. And for some of them, we may be able to assist you by telemedicine. from Belize, that is. So, in the end, I think what the FDA was trying to do was shut down your ability to have patient choice. And I think for a lot of people, they did that. They're gonna drive a lot of people to do unsafe things and seeking these, God only knows what's in the bottle peptides from shady sources. I think that's what they intended to do. And I don't think it had anything to do with maintaining the health of the United States.
Absolutely not. I mean, if anything, real, right, like, this is what me and my friends circles say, and I don't care, like, most of my local peers, big, you know, bodybuilding, you know, half black, half white, like, doesn't matter, right? Everyone's consensus thought process is, it's good for you, therefore it's going to get banned. And that's fucking nuts. That's nuts. It's good for you. Like the first one that I heard was going to be banned was BPC-157. I'm like, well, what? Why? In my head, I'm like, Well, that one's not even like, and I hate to say it this way, but like a cool one. And I'm just, you know, that's in my head because things that are vanity based, or is it going to do anything for me in the bedroom, my body, my energy? Well, it's going to not directly.
Right.
It is probably one of the most healthy ones for you, but right.
Yeah.
But that's the irony, right? It's like, it's like, no, it's anti-inflammatory. It just makes you way more healthy, your immune system, everything like that's nuts. And the fact that it's then okay though, if big pharma recreates this already naturally existing thing in your body, but adds an X or whatever the fuck to it. And which is just one thing to make it less safe, but they can, as long as they can sell it and make a profit off it, it's just, It makes me really mad, dude, but I don't think this is new because to your point, you got the movie like the Dallas Buyers Club. I would guess things like this have been going on for a while. In these instances, I'm thankful for social media. I'm thankful for like how open things are today as much as I'm like, man, there's so much negativity. There's so much it's like, at least I think our eyes are open. I don't know if you'd agree, but I think that as a whole, our eyes are open more than they ever were. I hope so. I hope so too, brother. I really do. I know peptides are more talked about than they ever were. Hence why we're having this conversation now. I know TRT and it used to be this hush, hush. I'm like, dude, there's so many men like that I know now are just like, again, they're not even, they don't even work out. Like just normal men, right? Like they're like, oh, this is available to me. Awesome. Right. Whereas it used to be like, you know, your seven figure earners,
You know it's it's more widely available now not peptides but i'll leave you with this you know you know your example but you also despite. I mean look your. You're a climb your own mountain kind of guy. You, you, you handle your own shit. If you hadn't found us, you'd probably be doing quite well for yourself with supplements or whatever the hell you put together. Cause you're a smart guy, right? The problem is, is there's a lot of people that get to get deterred from either their doctor or peer pressure in their, in their social group or their wife, you know, going, oh, I don't know, honey. I mean, that's, that seems a little. I mean, your regular doctor didn't want you to do that. And she's not looking at her honey, if you will, who's 25 pounds overweight as like a massive risk when indeed that guy is going to die 20 years too early. And we know it. So as for us, we have these patients, like a guy that came to us a 45-year-old gentleman, Asian Pacific Islander, you know, just a morbidly obese guy, right? Morbidly obese. Matter of fact, I went back and asked him if he had before pictures from 20-plus years ago. He hasn't taken a picture since he got out of college. He's one of these guys. However, he is so damn successful, so successful, that I swear he had everything in life That's a measure of success except for his health. Gorgeous wife. Healthy kids. Beautiful home. Homes. Beautiful cars. McLarens. I went to lunch with the guy. He bought a McLaren 765 while we were at lunch. Okay? I mean, this guy had everything in the world but his health. When he came to my dad, you know, he gets in front of a, you know, good old Dr. Ross finance work and, and, and he says, uh, well, what, what do I do? All my dad's very blunt when it comes to health. He says, you know, if you do this right now, if you don't change a thing, you will never walk your daughter down the aisle. Your daughter will drop you in the ground before that happens. That was like a road to Emmaus moment for him, where he was like, OK, I will do anything. He said, OK, well, that's exactly what we're going to ask that level of get it done out of you to get this over 100 pounds off of you and save your life. Well, fast forward to today, that guy came to us a type 2 diabetic with an A1c, hemoglobin A1c of nearly 12. that is way out of control. We're looking for a healthy A1C is, you know, upper fours, under, you know, low fives. It starts climbing in the five, we're very concerned. We start talking about pre-diabetes, right? This guy was 12, no idea, never seen a doctor. His thing was like, I grind, I make money, I know I'm fat, I have no clue. And that was him. Today, two years later, two years later, we might be at three years now at this point. This guy is 165 pounds. He has a six pack. He went to our sister practice and saw Dr. Malou and had some skin resected. Our cosmetic surgeon, we have a sister practice with a cosmetic surgeon. That turned out well. But the number one thing is, is that guy's A1C is 4.8 and he does not have to be on insulin. He is non-insulin dependent diabetic. But are you really a diabetic if you have an A1C of 4.8? Not if you came to us with a 4.8, we'd say you're not a diabetic. So are you really a diabetic? Well, conventional wisdom says if you were a diabetic before, you're still a diabetic today. But I think that's probably, I don't know, I think Andrew Huberman actually recently talked about this, that definition is probably going to change. And you don't have to live with these things. You don't have to live with type 2 diabetes and just accept it. You don't have to live with thyroid issues like a lot of guys between 30 and 35 are dealing with Hashimoto's thyroiditis. And it's like, oh, we're going to wait till your thyroid burns out. Then we're just going to give you the hormone the thyroid produces. You'll be fine. Well, wait a minute. Do we have to let it burn? Can't we just put out the structure fire and fix it? Yeah, we can with these peptides. But again, it seems there's people that maybe don't want us to be able to do things like that. So I'll leave you with that.
If people want to find us, by the way- I was going to say, we're listeners, again. These are, you all are my people, man. We've got to be, I would just encourage you to do one thing. Get your blood work done. Get your blood work done. He's not the first person we've talked about this. Frazier Bailey talked about the same thing. Get your blood work done. That will tell you everything. Get your blood work done. then go from there. At least invest in yourself on that. Get your blood work done. And you can go to, if you're in Maryland, you can go to TRTMD. And I'm going to tell you that because that's what I did. Get your blood work done. Have them check you out, right? If you're in Vegas, same thing. That's what I would do. That's what I did do. I was worried. I wanted to get checked out. I got my blood work done. And the rest is history. And I will never not do anything about it. Where else online and everything else, where can they find you guys at, Dan?
So www.trtmd.com. There's a contact us section on there. Please be as specific as possible when you're filling out your form. Be very honest. The stuff you're filling out is going to be read by your doctor. You know, give us the raw, give us, give us, give us the full details, right? Uh, what you're going to get in response to that is our consultant. We'll call you. Her name is Laura. Uh, Laura reaches out as fast as possible. Uh, she likes to have a long form conversation with people. It's usually 20, 30 minutes or so. And it's really to determine, uh, one, or are we the correct fit for you? And, uh, and two, um, are we going to be able to deliver what you're looking for? Really? And from there, we set up your blood work. We have you get that done. And we have a secondary call prior to you seeing the doctor where we're going to lay out, hey, this is probably what the doctor's going to speak about. This is likely the diagnosis he's going to lay out. And here's the treatments. And here's the cost. Right? So we like to lay all that stuff out so it's just crystal clear. I'm going to be straight up and honest with you right up front. We are not cheap guys. We aren't. Um, I will tell you that certainly in the world of hormones and peptides, you do get what you pay for. We are cash medicine to the fullest. We see like six patients a day per doctor. So just know that your primary care physician, you see six patients an hour. We see six a day. Um, cause of that. Yeah. Do we, do we cost more? Yeah, we do. I mean, our hormone replacement, is it cheap like the online services? No, it isn't going to be cheap like the online services. However, it's all about properly diagnosing you right up front and then getting you the proper medication. Having cheap therapy that sucks is going to push you in the wrong direction. Right? And what do we mean by that? For the young guys? Does that mean that all these young guys need to be on testosterone? Hell no. As a matter of fact, if you get on testosterone before your time, you will take away your ability to naturally produce. So, you know, are there medications that we give our patients to maximize their testosterone production? Yeah. Supplements? Yes. Now, look, some people come to us and they're like, I only want to be on injected testosterone right out the gate. When we ask them, Well, hold on, Chief. Do you really care? How about you let us do the science? If we can show you a total testosterone of 1,000 or 1,100 or something like that, and you make it in your testicles, are you cool with that?" They're like, well, yeah, but I was told I couldn't do that. We're like, you were told wrong. So testosterone replacement doesn't always mean testosterone replacement. Sometimes it's the hormones on the brain side that need replacing, and you wouldn't know that unless you test this patient properly, right? So I would tell people, get tested and don't just accept your primary care. Your primary care has no clue how to test you. A testosterone total alone tells us almost nothing. Go to someone who specializes in testosterone replacement. You know, if you want to run things, even if you're not in our service area, um, you know, for your people, certainly if they call in, I'm going to give you a code here. Um, if they call in with, uh, with a blue collar, one code, uh, for one, um, they will get their first two months. So if they sign up for three months, I'm going to give them back their two, their first two months for free. if they sign up with us under with that blue collar one code. Okay. So that's, if you want, you want two free months of TRT. Give us that code, please don't forget it. Okay.
Number one, yeah, you want that for sure, which I appreciate, which I'm assuming as a shout out to so that the blue collar baller coaching group and my moniker, the blue collar baller, I don't know how many people really know or even care that on this show. But that's a very, you ought to remember that one blue collar one that's going to get you two free months, which is how you said two free months, two free months of TRT for when you sign up for three months.
So you sign up for 90 days. And I'm going to give you two more on top of that space. So you sign up for 90 I'm going to give you I'm going to give you five months.
Dude, that's awesome, man. Thank you. Not for me, but for my people. My pleasure. I would encourage you guys to do that.
I want people to go out there and cast.
I was getting ready to say, we did not, uh, we didn't discuss this. The truth is, is I would have, but he's only in Vegas and Maryland and not, they're not operational international or whatever nationally yet. I don't think you are anyhow, but very close. Okay. Okay. That's dope, man. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously if you're in the VIG, just call them and at least they can steer you in the right direction. But that is really cool. Blue collar one and get you started if nothing else. But dude, thank you for doing that. That's very, very cool. I'll make sure I put that in the notes too. And again, I'm a paying, what would you call me? Paying patient here at the- Patient, yeah. So, but I'm also, man, I'm not only am I, what was that commercial? Hair plugs for men. Not only am I the president, I'm a client or something like that.
That's right. Well, you're not just a patient, you're a friend, dude. I mean, we talk all the time. I thank you so much for giving me an opportunity to reach guys on this platform here. Truth be told, I'm not a big social media guy. I'm a peer to peer kind of person. I know my people in my industry, but I need to be far better about exposing myself to other industries as well and getting this message out there. But really, the message is, guys, don't accept the status quo. Do not accept average. If you think you're an average person and you made it to the end of this podcast, I'm going to tell you right now you're not an average person. You're probably more intelligent than that. So don't accept average, don't accept average, the very least. Get tested and make sure that you're putting the best things into your body so you can be the most effective version of yourself.
The only thing, right, is just get texted and see, right? Everything post then, it's, and that's the other thing. I've seen Daniel, I have physically sent friends and peers to their office that their TRT, their testosterone wasn't low. And they were like almost bummed. You know what I mean? Like, cause they weren't going to get like, I guess the shot or whatever. I'm like, your, your testosterone. Right. I'm like, brother, it's good. Like, I get it. I get, I, I don't know. I get they were thinking like they had the answers coming and it's like, well, you're good. Like we can still help you, you know, look at some other things. But like, as far as that area goes, you're good, bro. And I appreciate that. Because I think that's the danger is if you don't go to a reputable practice, you could find yourself getting something you don't need. Right. They're not going to just take your money. And I can stand that personally. So, again, why I would encourage you to go to them directly. I'm very, very careful about that. If you've been a long time listener, you know, I push something I push it because it's a it's something I do or use and in this case that's why I would send you to them because I've sent a lot of friends and peers I mean how many referrals have I sent you elsewhere? needs it, you know. And I've never asked like, hey, go hook it. Like, no, I believe in this. I love it. I'm so passionate about being the most optimal me. And it's not just in this area, but all areas. But this area specifically is where he is able to discuss. And that's why he's on here today. And we'll do the physical, excuse me, the mental, and all the other things later on. But Combine all of that and you're a bad MF or dude and you're a world. Thank you. You are, you know what I mean? So. Dude, thank you so much for coming on, Daniel. You're a rock star. We're going to make sure we get it out there. I know you're not big into the social media and all the things and the people that I'm like trying to chase. And so I do appreciate that you came on because I know you're like, I'm open to changing.
I'm going to get you there in that regard.
I'm going to get you there, man. In fact, we're doing You know, since we're doing all this stuff off the cuff right now with the whole blue collar, don't forget that blue collar one, we'll put this in the notes, but we're going to do an event. Um, so the kitchen table podcast might sponsor it, but, and it's not even blue collar ball or anything. It's probably just going to be a local, um, event. for home service industries and different entrepreneurs. But you know, I've got such a network here locally. I'm like, dude, you know what, we could put on something very powerful and help a lot of entrepreneurs here because there's so many things to talk about with the current market volatility and just everything that's like, And election year, I think it's important. I think we're going to do that at the beginning of the summer. I'll talk to you about, you know, maybe we can get somebody to speak and just talk about, again, the importance of like, hey, here's something you can do. And if that would help you guys, great. If not, but yeah, we can get you involved in that as well. So Daniel, thank you so much for coming on. Remember, guys, if you like the show, if this was a good episode, if this was valuable to you and helpful, I don't plug this nearly enough as much as I used to. I've got a YouTube channel, all these things going on. Please like, subscribe, leave a review. It's how people find the show. It's how people know it exists. I've got some amazing loyal listeners, my buddy Joe, my buddy Adam Champagne from CFOs to guys in Louisiana. I love the hell out of all of you, but please like, subscribe and leave a review for us. I really would appreciate that. And women, too, by the way, I know this episode was heavily geared towards the men because there's two men speaking about their issues and how they found themselves here. But they've helped my wife. And if you feel that you are not operating optimally, do the same thing. Go get your blood work done. Right. That's right. Blood work done. Don't have to go spend money with Daniel. Get your blood work done. I trust Daniel. Take it to them. And if they can't help you, they will send you to somebody that will send you to someone who can.
That's right. That's right. So got a good chance. We can't help you, though, especially with going forward as. the venue of medicine I talked to you about, Central America and so forth. I'm going to be able to offer a lot more to a lot more people, obviously, because then it's not state by state. It's everyone has access. In fact, if you have listeners in Dubai, they have access and listeners in Ireland, they have access. That's much more of the whole world's access. provided that there's some law in your country that I'm not aware of, at least for the United States, I know that we're not gonna have an issue serving our clientele here.
Well, we're working on the international listener base. We're trying to cover the good old U.S. right now. But Daniel, thank you so much, my brother. We will talk again soon. I'm back. I'll talk to you. Thank you. But I'll talk to you tomorrow. But I appreciate you. Sounds good. Remember baller excuse me blue collar one blue collar one text that code if you're calling will put the is there a number you'd like to shout out for the listeners.
Yes, so our phone number in Maryland is 410-995-8550. That's also our main number. Maryland is our home office. So feel free to call that number and we can schedule you for consultations in Maryland or Nevada. And of course, if there's something we can do for you online, we can go ahead and set that up there as well.
OK, we'll put that in the notes too, by the way. So awesome already. Website, the notes. Daniel, thank you again, my friend, and we will talk to you soon. And look out for me in 30 days because your boy is back.
I'm right, man. I'm trying to catch up, baby. Right.
I like swimwear. All right, guys, we love you. Catch you next time. Thank you.
Thank you. Take care.
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